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  •  02-25-2007, 8:03 AM 146

    When is it discrimination? When is it ethnic solidarity?

     There was an interesting story in today's New York Daily News.  It made me think about nationality and racism.  By definition, nationalism is a form of discrimination where you exclude people who are not from the same ethnicity.  Is this the flip side of racism? 

     Sometimes, a co-ethnic will give you a special deal (ie, a Korean grocer who identifies you as KA) because of a sense of ethnic solidarity.  In the United States, we are often so buffeted by discrimination and racism by those in the mainstream that we feel a sense of relief when we see another member of our minority group.  Over the years, these feelings may result in ethnic enclaves or even ghettos.  Is it so bad that some of us offer discounts to our co-ethnics?  Or are we practicing a form of ethnocentrism or even 'reverse-racism' against those outside our group?  

    What do you think?
     

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    How mean for chow mein!

     

    Restaurant hit over menu with higher charges for non-Chinese

     

    Canal Seafood Restaurant has been hit with bias rap after a diner sparked a probe into menus which allegedly listed lower prices in Chinese than in English.
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    The price you pay for your beef with string beans depends entirely on whether or not you are Chinese - at least according to the menus at one restaurant in Chinatown, city officials say.

    The city Human Rights Commission has filed a discrimination complaint against the Canal Seafood Restaurant for allegedly giving a different menu with lower prices to customers who are Chinese.

    David Lopez, a visitor from Wisconsin, contacted the commission after eating at the restaurant with several friends last October.

    He and his girlfriend knew something was wrong when a waiter told them that a serving of rice would cost them extra. They had noticed Asian customers munching on similar dishes served over a bed of rice.

    "Being Hispanic, we both like rice," said 46-year-old Lopez. "We saw other customers getting a different menu. We were told we could order from it if we spoke Chinese."

    The prices on that menu, written in Chinese, were an average of $1 cheaper per dish.

    "It was very distressful to go to a place in one of the most diverse cities in the world and be discriminated against," Lopez said.

    Representatives for the restaurant have denied the existence of two different in-store menus.

    But Lopez, who has worked as a discrimination investigator in Wisconsin, took both menus with him. He took the menus and his concerns to the Human Rights Commission.

    After an investigation, the commission determined there was probable cause that discrimination had taken place, and referred the case to the office of Administrative Trials and Hearings for a trial.

    "Discrimination based upon national origin and race is illegal wherever it may occur and cannot be tolerated," said Commissioner Patricia Gatling.

    Leon Luk, a lawyer representing the restaurant, said there may have been a "miscommunication."

    "We'd rather not say anything until the matter is adjudicated," Luk said. "There is only one menu for sit-down [dining] and one menu for takeout. They have been in business for 15 years and this is their first complaint."

    But City Councilman John Liu (D-Queens) said he has received similar complaints about different menus at restaurants for years. He noted he has never been able to substantiate any of the claims.

    "People have also complained that they didn't get service because they're not Asian," said Liu, the first Asian-American to serve in the City Council.

    "If, in fact, any restaurant in New York City charges people differently based on their ability to read menu language, that is totally unacceptable and that restaurant should be penalized severely."

    Depending on the outcome of the hearing before the administrative law judge, the Human Rights Commission could impose several punishments, including fining the restaurant, ordering special training and requiring the owners to change the policy.

    Eric Ng, president of the Chinese Consolidated Benevolent Association, said most businesses and restaurants in Chinatown are "honest and fair."

    "We have never heard of something like this before, and we have no comment on that, since it is an individual business conduct issue," Ng said.

    Originally published on February 25, 2007


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  •  02-25-2007, 6:33 PM 150 in reply to 146

    Re: When is it discrimination? When is it ethnic solidarity?

    racism is about power and ultimately a conflict between the haves and have-nots.  Of course, it is fundamentally wrong if a Chinese person gets a discount at a Chinese restaurant but what about when that Chinese person can't even get his door into a fortune 500 company for an informational interview?  so how can a person who belongs to a community w/out societal power be racist?
    I groot for the underdogs.
  •  02-26-2007, 12:53 AM 152 in reply to 150

    Re: When is it discrimination? When is it ethnic solidarity?

    it's a natural human tendency to be drawn to people who are similar than you, that's not racism,  but what that restaurant did is bogus.  how are you gonna have two menus like that?
    I groot about getting past all the bull-doody.
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